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#1 Nanni Dietrich

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Posted 02 November 2023 - 15:04

The name carved in the gravestone at the Almby kyrkogÃ¥rd in Örebro, Sweden, where Ronnie Peterson was laid to rest, is Peterson.

He is buried alongside his wife "Barbro Peterson" and his parents "Bengt Peterson" and ""May-Britt Peterson" (written May-Britt, not Maj-Britt).

 

Was the original spelling of the family name Peterson?

Or, according to different sources, it was Petersson or even Pettersson and "Mad-Ronnie", when he started his international career, decided to use Peterson, more common, more easy to recall.

 

Does exist an official document where the name Peterson is confirmed?



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#2 a_tifoosi

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Posted 02 November 2023 - 15:41

Birth certificate (click to zoom):

 

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It is a bit unclear, but the father last name is Petersson: Bengt Henrik Petersson.

 

Ronnie was the son of Bengt Henrik Petersson and Maj-Britt Petersson (formerly Pettersson). Although they got married in 1942, the mother's original last name (Pettersson) is given in Ronnie's birth certificate from 1944.



#3 john aston

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Posted 02 November 2023 - 16:04

If you read some period race programmes , and (unforgivably ) some recent motorsport  books,  you'd think it was 'Petersen'...



#4 flatlandsman

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Posted 02 November 2023 - 17:07

After working with a Swedish lady a couple of years ago it was fascinating finding out how bad we translate.  

 

Petterson  Would be "pet errr son" with a big emphasis on the "sson" bit being like Don or Ron not sun.  I think even with Peterson it would be similar

 

The one I always gont wrong was Joakim Bonnier,  "Bon eee errrr"

 

So a double s like Johansson, is easy but we will always say the "sson" like sun where it should be pronounced as don or gone. 



#5 Doug Nye

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Posted 03 November 2023 - 07:04

How VERY interesting and enlightening.  So I really did screw up one of my racing drivers' books way back when with 'Bengt RONALD' Peterson.  And that after spending time with him and Barbro at their Maidenhead home talking about his hobby interest in tropical fish...

 

Dammit!   One lives and learns...

 

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#6 AJCee

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Posted 03 November 2023 - 07:53

😂I feel a little embarrassed that I didn’t know the proper name of my childhood favourite driver! 😳

This is the sort of thing that makes research so fascinating.

#7 rl1856

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Posted 03 November 2023 - 12:25

Slightly off topic, but concerning RP.   His top line career lasted 8 seasons, 6 of which were spent as a #1 driver in a multi car team.   He was a definite #2 driver at Lotus in the beginning of 1973, but crucially this was a promotion for him after March.  He ascended to co #1 by the later part of the season, and was #1 through 74-75-76, before moving back to March, where he was again #1.  He came into Tyrell in 77 as #1 or at least co-#1.  Then back to Lotus where he understood that he was #2 to Andretti.

 

RP was idolized for his speed and driving style, and his accident robbed us of what may have been.   The only criticism of him was that some felt he was maybe too reckless or took too many chances to achieve the consistency needed to win a WDC over a long season.   

 

Is it possible that his 76-77-78 seasons were humbling enough that he gained the maturity he may have needed to become more consistent, and achieve the championship that most knew was possible ?

 

RIP- 



#8 AJCee

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Posted 03 November 2023 - 14:49

Ronnie had a contract for McLaren in 1979, so definitely not possible that year.

#9 Michael Ferner

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Posted 03 November 2023 - 16:03

How VERY interesting and enlightening.  So I really did screw up one of my racing drivers' books way back when with 'Bengt RONALD' Peterson.  And that after spending time with him and Barbro at their Maidenhead home talking about his hobby interest in tropical fish...

 

Dammit!   One lives and learns...

 

DCN

 

Indeed, that's what took me by surprise, too! (The 'Ronnie' bit on the certificate, I mean) That he had anglicised his family name quite early on was generally known in period, already ('Peterson' doesn't make any sense in Swedish; 'Petersson' literally means Peter's son, analogous to other Swedish names, hence all of them are written with two 's').



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Posted 03 November 2023 - 16:59

Yes, it seems to make the "Mad Ronald" tag doubly disparaging...

 

rl1856 said:

<<  The only criticism of him was that some felt he was maybe too reckless or took too many chances to achieve the consistency needed to win a WDC over a long season. >>  

 

I think that Ronnie's supposed "recklessness" is sometimes overstated. Even driving with the dominant team and car, you don't get eight top-three places (including some wins) in the endurance races of the World Sportscar Championship by being reckless. He could be flamboyant, yes... but, clearly, he knew how to bring a car home.


Edited by 2F-001, 03 November 2023 - 17:01.


#11 LittleChris

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Posted 03 November 2023 - 17:15

As demonstrated at Monza in 76 in changeable conditions where he was able to conserve the brakes and bring the 761 home first despite almost constant pressure   :clap:


Edited by LittleChris, 03 November 2023 - 17:16.


#12 Michael Ferner

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Posted 03 November 2023 - 18:30

No, I don't think he was "reckless", and I don't remember him crashing a lot. Maybe more than Lauda, but certainly a lot less than Brambilla! His real problem was, I think, that he wasn't patient enough to set up his car properly. He would 'drive around' problems with the car, instead of changing it to make it suit the conditions, as all real masters of the sport did. That way, he would sometimes win one week, then finish eleventh or something the next. And he would get lost when the car was proving difficult to set up, like it did for him in 1975 or '77, then he ended up going nowhere fast.



#13 Doug Nye

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Posted 03 November 2023 - 19:59

I can't claim to have known Ronnie at all well - but he was very approachable in a rather shy and diffident manner which I found very unusual and very engaging amongst such generally extrovert, or suspicious, or cliquey, or arrogant, or aggressive driver company.

 

What was very apparent was that many of Formula 1's contemporary glitterati were completely fazed and puzzled by the Ronnie phenomenon.  

 

In the car he was capable of prodigious speed and lightning control right out there on the extreme edge of any car's ultimate 'stiction' - and yet out of the car was so generally quiet, slow moving, slow-speaking - well, slow.  

 

The hyped-up, attention deficit, always impatient, 'electric' driver brigade - and a large proportion of the more shallow-minded specialist press, and certainly the national-press media and TV men - generally sniggered about Ronnie actually being 'thick' or 'dim', a real low-voltage Swedeyburger dullard...  Of course this spoke volumes more about them than him.

 

I was aware that Ronnie - and very much Barbro - were aware of that image and that dismissive, sneering attitude (which in many driver cases was a kind of inverse compensation reaction - if he's that thick how come he's just beaten you into a cocked hat? Again?).  

 

I don't think any of this bothered him one single iota - but for sure it irritated Barbro, who could quickly take offence on his behalf where absolutely none was ever intended.

 

Ronnie would just smile his slow smile - all the way to the bank, or onto the top step of the podium.  

 

While the standard-issue media fatheads made their dismissive remarks and jokes - the serious experienced troupe were Ronnie fans, almost to a man, ditto the thinking drivers of note, and very much so the mechanics and engineers who worked most closely with him.  He was unusual.  But he was absolutely A Racer - and, I thought, a fine man.  Many with whom I worked formed the same impression.  That's why he is remembered so fondly today.

 

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#14 Myhinpaa

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Posted 03 November 2023 - 21:45

Indeed, that's what took me by surprise, too! (The 'Ronnie' bit on the certificate, I mean) That he had anglicised his family name quite early on was generally known in period, already ('Peterson' doesn't make any sense in Swedish; 'Petersson' literally means Peter's son, analogous to other Swedish names, hence all of them are written with two 's').

 

Distribution of people with different variants of the name Pettersson, from the Office for National Statistics in Sweden. (2012 numbers)

 

 

  • Pettersson  64 188
  • Petterson         155
  • Petterzon             5
  • Petersson   29 596
  • Peterson        1989
  • Peterzon            45
  • Petersohn          24


#15 2F-001

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Posted 04 November 2023 - 09:50

 - the serious experienced troupe were Ronnie fans, almost to a man, ditto the thinking drivers of note...

DCN 

Andretti, for example (or so I am led to believe); two very different characters, but clearly respect was there.



#16 Michael Ferner

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Posted 04 November 2023 - 09:56

 

I was aware that Ronnie - and very much Barbro - were aware of that image and that dismissive, sneering attitude (which in many driver cases was a kind of inverse compensation reaction - if he's that thick how come he's just beaten you into a cocked hat? Again?).  

 

 

 

I think the argument went along the lines, "Peterson? Oh yeah, he's quick, but you know he's a bit thick and so he lacks that self-preservation instinct that holds us others back..." - not that it makes any of it better, I hasten to add!  :|

 

Along the same lines, if slightly more veiled, came the criticism that "he was useless testing a car, he would just drive the wheels off regardless of car performance" In fact, as I mentioned earlier, he was likely just not patient enough to deal with the often tedious requirements of extracting the utmost out of a competition car, and knew he could usually get away with it. Nothing to do with lack of brains.



#17 LittleChris

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Posted 04 November 2023 - 11:27

Andretti, for example (or so I am led to believe); two very different characters, but clearly respect was there.

 

Niki as well I think



#18 Nanni Dietrich

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Posted 05 November 2023 - 08:02

It is strange indeed that the names of the other members of the family (Ronnie's parents, Barbro) are carved on the gravestone as "Peterson".



#19 Michael Ferner

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Posted 05 November 2023 - 10:54

As Myhinpaa's statistics a few posts up show so well, family names are generally not 'carved in stone', so to speak. Individual persons, or even whole families start to spell their names differently, and it often doesn't even need administrative action to make the change permanent. I have no idea whether Ronnie changed his name 'legally', but the gravestone settles the matter anyway. Apparently, that's the way they wanted it spelt, and that should be respected.



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#20 davidbuckden

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Posted 05 November 2023 - 14:29

Just to add another dimension - in '72, people who appeared to be particularly close to him, used the very British 'Ron' rather than Ronnie. But, however you addressed him, his likability was very obvious and the way his driving style made a car look at speed was really exciting.  At the time that made him seem the natural successor to Rindt, so no wonder he was such a favourite. The unfortunate association of the circuit with both such 'special' drivers takes away some of my liking for Monza, which is otherwise a benignly mellow place in early September. 

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#21 LittleChris

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Posted 05 November 2023 - 20:37

Wonderful photo

#22 AJCee

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Posted 05 November 2023 - 21:36

Absolutely