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[Doug Nye]

Originally posted by jph
For the Rover BRMs, all the photos and film that I have seen seem to suggest that the '63 car was the same shade as the GP cars, but the '65 car looked paler. I found that not applying a laquer coat to my model of the '65 car produced what looked to me like the right shade. But when it comes to colour, particulalrly on models, I guess there's no right answer and what looks right to one person may look totally wrong to another.

I hope you haven't been misled by the respray some years ago of the surviving 1965 Rover-BRM Coupe which left it the wrong colour. It and the 1963 Spyder should wear matching colours - BRM's semi-metallic 'Dark Lust. Green'. The 'Lust.' incidentally was short for 'Lustrous' but was rendered this way on the labelling and invoicing, as sprayed in his spare time by the Bourne undertaker (colonials, undertaker = mortician).

DCN

[Macca]

Originally posted by Barry Boor
Hand-painting? Not in this world, I say, NOT IN THIS WORLD!!!!!

Hm..........well it's rather difficult to mask and spray 1:64 single-seaters, especially when they're not in kit-form to start with.

Anyway, here is a line of my BRMs:



Hill in P61/1 (the first car, with the spaceframe engine bay), Ginther in 2613, Irwin in 2616, Spence in 2614, Bondurant in 2615, and Stewart in P83/01 (USA '66).

Some are BR green, some 'camo' grey/green - looking at my Brumm P578, the 'lustrous' colour tends to look as if there is an inch thickness of lacquer over it at 1:43, so at 1:64 enamel is OK.


Paul M

[jph]

Originall posted by barry Boor:
JPH, would you still have that Ford by any chance?

I had made some enquiries and drawn a blank.

Halfords need a code, the colour name is no use to them; while my local Ford dealer has found the colour but apparently his computer shows no paint code with it - just a 'style' code, which means little to either him or me.

Everyone immediately asks for the chassis number......

Sorry, long since disposed of. Halfords seem to be getting increasingly unhelpful with their colour matching service - can't even cross-reference to other paint manufacturers codes. I had two cans of charcaol green mixed by them a year or so ago - they didn't need the code, chassis number or anything, though maybe the year (my car was R registered if that's of any help) - and I've checked the aerosol cans - no code there either, I'm afraid.

Interesting comment from Doug Nye on the '65 and '63 cars being the same 'standard BRM' colour. I thought the restored '65 car looked too pale when I saw it at Goodwood a year or three ago, but all the photos and film I've seen suggest the '65 car was a slightly lighter shade than the '63 car; further proof that you should never trust colour reproduction.

[Barry Boor]

Thanks for that JPH, the year may be just what is needed.

Interestingly, I have just received a reply from ICI asking them if they could relate the aforementioned colour code to a modern colour. Their reply was that no such code (P030-3503) exists. "Can't help you....."

[Simpson RX1]

Ah, a case of left hand not communicating with right!

Sorry I took a while to get back Barry, yes, those numbers were cumulative and that formula came direct from ICI (now Nexa/PPG) , I didn't even need to be put through to anyone, I was given the info by the receptionist and it was confirmed by fax in less than 2 minutes.

[Macca]

Funnily enough, I had a dark metallic green Ford for a while - half the reason I bought it was that it was so close to BRM colour. Not sure if I'd have given it an orange nose though.............

Another source of info is colour charts of BS 4800 and RAL numbers - Cavern is 12 B 29 (JWB 25) on the BS chart, and it looks the same as RAL 6015.

Anyway, here's another pic of my BRM H16:




Paul M

[Bjorn Kjer]

I am looking for scans of an article called BRM Project Mobile Workshop.

It was brought in August 2009 Vintage Roadscene.

I have a copy , but so small res. that it cant be read or enlarged to readable.

Can anyone here help please ?

[arttidesco]

Wondering if anyone can enlighten me as to the circumstances of the demise of BRM P201/1 ?

 

Racingsportscars.com show's the  car at the '74 British GP where Pescarolo  retired with an engine issue, then Oldracingcars.com shows the car was written off, I imagine in testing, but knowing BRM this may well be an erroneous assumption.

 

Does any one know if the un raced chassis shown in ORC as BRM P201/01-R was an in period replacement or something that was built up  much later on ?

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[MarkBisset]

Intrigued to know more about the F5000 BRM P83 Rover F5000 car raced twice by Peter Gerrish in 1971.

 

P83 chassis 8303 is ex-Hill/Stewart/Irwin and Spence from Monza 1966 to Mexico 67.

 

The BRM H16 was a stressed member, the adaptation of a tubular rear chassis bay to accept the Rover V8 appears neatly done, who did it? Allen Brown tells me the car is now owned by the Caister Castle Museum, I wonder if it's the car I saw in action at the Goodwood FOS last year?

 

(Phil Irving Collection)

 

Edited by MarkBisset, 04 August 2023 - 08:43.

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Edited by MarkBisset, 04 August 2023 - 08:41.

[dgs]

Intrigued to know more about the F5000 BRM P83 Rover F5000 car raced twice by Peter Gerrish in 1971.

P83 chassis 8303 is ex-Hill/Stewart/Irwin and Spence from Monza 1966 to Mexico 67.

The BRM H16 was a stressed member, the adaptation of a tubular rear chassis bay to accept the Rover V8 appears neatly done, who did it? Allen Brown tells me the car is now owned by the Caister Castle Museum, I wonder if it's the car I saw in action at the Goodwood FOS last year?

(Phil Irving Collection)

An article interviewing Peter Gerrish was published in the Mercedes-Benz Club magazine January 2023. in which it mentions he purchased the front bodywork, or 'tub' and suspension of a BRM H16. In place of the original engine Peter fitted a Rover V8. He states " I bought a BRM Formula One 'tub' and front suspension - for £200"
The article also mentions "the BRM can now be seen in the Caister Car Collection near Great Yarmouth in Norfolk".

[MCS]

I can see that Gerrish raced the car at the 1971 Hockenheim F5000 round, where he qualified 20 seconds slower than the later Cooper T90 of Hawtin who, in turn, was 20 seconds off the pace of poleman Frank Gardner (Lola T300). Can't see any other races either on Old Racing Cars or elsewhere.

 

https://www.oldracin...971/hockenheim/

 

There were cars slower than the P83 on the starting grid. Extraordinary, looking back.

[D-Type]

If it's in the Caister car Collection and appeared at Goodwood, they must have changed their attitude to Goodwood.

[ensign14]

"Open every day from May to September.  Except Saturdays."

 

Yes, because that makes total sense.

[Derwent Motorsport]

I visited the Caister Museum a couple of years ago.  It's in the hands of some sort of trust which seems to inhibit it's updating or the restoration of any of the cars. The BRM and the Lotus F1 cars are in poor condition. There have been many offers to buy, or restore or laon the Lotus in particular which habe been rejected.  The sale of the two racers, which are not typical of the rest of the collections, would easily fund the much needed repairs to the building and the overalll experience. 

[dgs]

I can see that Gerrish raced the car at the 1971 Hockenheim F5000 round, where he qualified 20 seconds slower than the later Cooper T90 of Hawtin who, in turn, was 20 seconds off the pace of poleman Frank Gardner (Lola T300). Can't see any other races either on Old Racing Cars or elsewhere.

 

https://www.oldracin...971/hockenheim/

 

There were cars slower than the P83 on the starting grid. Extraordinary, looking back.

In The Mercedes Benz Club article Peter Gerrish states he "enjoyed  successful campaigns in Formula 5000 and Formule Libre with the car". Photograph shows car (race no 128) with Yellow Pages advertising sigh on backing behind car as him in a 1971 race (does not state where). I have no records on 1971 Formule Libre races (likely to be club races ?).   

[amerikalei]

I just came across a FB posting of photos by Jim Culp in the Glory Days of Racing group from the 1969 Preis der Nationen, Formula 5000 at Hockenheim.  There is a photo of the P83 running the #22, photo caption says Terry Sanger is the driver.  Just noticed if because of the unusual exhaust piping (left side in this shot).  There are a handful of Mr Culp's B&W 35mm photos and they're all quite good.  If he is not already, he ought to be a TNF member.

Edited by amerikalei, 29 September 2023 - 13:28.