Have you ever wondered what it was actually like to drive a 1967 Lotus 49 on the Nurburgring, a Honda V12 at Monza, an Eagle at Watkins Glen, a Ferrari 312 at Zandvoort, a BRM H16 at Silverstone, etc.?
With the Grand Prix Legends simulator by Papyrus you can, on your own PC. The tracks are painstakingly recreated with a lot of attention for historical details, the car physics are as close to the real thing as you can get this side of a monitor screen. So I was wondering if any of the people in this forum have ever tried it, as it seems to be made for you. (I tried to talk Dennis David into it over a year ago, but never heard if he actually bought it - well, did you or didn't you, DD?:-)
A warning: Grand Prix Legends is not an easy 'game'. In fact it's just as difficult as stepping into a real 1967 F1 car and trying to drive it.
It takes a decent PC (P266 and up, and a 3Dfx video accelerator add-on card), preferably a steering wheel and pedals, and it will take a while before you will be able to do four-wheel drifts and power slides but you'll be on the nostalgia trip of your life!
I'm not selling the things or in any way connected to Papyrus, just an enthousiast of sim racing and the 1967 era. And I'd be more than happy to help anyone setting this sim up or to provide more information.
Bye,
Leo
Don't talk about it, do it!
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Leo Landman
, Dec 31 1999 00:13
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Dennis David
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Posted 31 December 1999 - 00:30
I did buy it but I won't tell you if I'm any good! ;-)
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Fast One
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Posted 31 December 1999 - 02:14
It's pretty much the only thing I play. Hell, it's the reason I bought my computer! I now realize why I did not make racing a career. I sure do love booming around the Ring though.
It truly is the ultimate car game, offering infinite setup possibilities, and some of the great tracks that have gone by the wayside. It also gives you a sense of how much more difficult road racing is than oval racing, for instance. Just learning the Ring was a mighty task, not to mention learning to drive it fast.
It truly is the ultimate car game, offering infinite setup possibilities, and some of the great tracks that have gone by the wayside. It also gives you a sense of how much more difficult road racing is than oval racing, for instance. Just learning the Ring was a mighty task, not to mention learning to drive it fast.
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Posted 31 December 1999 - 05:17
This should be a part of the quotes - but I don't know who said it, Richie Ginther I think: "Racing at Indianapolis is harder than the Nurburgring - if you make a mistake there are so few places to compensate.."
I've tried GP Legends twice. I refuse to buy it for one very good reason -
I'd would be on it day and night and never get anything done!
It's just fantastic! The Nurburgring is really great, but so is Spa, so is Monza, even Watkins Glen.
The different sounds, even of each of the V12s, is great, the fellow who let me have a go reckons he can notice the change in the car when he varies the diff ramps, so there really is something to the setting up - and not a wing in sight!
I think the steering wheel and pedals are a must, and I'd have to have the simulator pod as well, and a 17" screen, lunch delivered, a good pit crew. It's so lifelike and really brings home how much Spa has changed.
Now there's Spirit of Speed 1937, which I think comes to me as a demo today. Looking forward to that, but I regret that my weakness for the things that I like mean that I can never have them. Pity.
I've tried GP Legends twice. I refuse to buy it for one very good reason -
I'd would be on it day and night and never get anything done!
It's just fantastic! The Nurburgring is really great, but so is Spa, so is Monza, even Watkins Glen.
The different sounds, even of each of the V12s, is great, the fellow who let me have a go reckons he can notice the change in the car when he varies the diff ramps, so there really is something to the setting up - and not a wing in sight!
I think the steering wheel and pedals are a must, and I'd have to have the simulator pod as well, and a 17" screen, lunch delivered, a good pit crew. It's so lifelike and really brings home how much Spa has changed.
Now there's Spirit of Speed 1937, which I think comes to me as a demo today. Looking forward to that, but I regret that my weakness for the things that I like mean that I can never have them. Pity.
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Leo Landman
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Posted 04 January 2000 - 05:30
You're a wise man, Ray. There are hundreds of GPL widows out there. My wife is used to it by now. She just thinks I'm a little odd, but at least I don't hurt myself.
I agree with the ovals statement. It may not be as interesting as road racing, but it sure is more difficult than it looks. It's easy to do a fast lap, but it's almost impossible to do it only 2/10 faster and run with the big boys.
There's a converter now, that converts Nascar tracks to GPL, and it's fascinating to drive the '67 F1s at Michigan, Talladega etc. Highly apocryphal, I know, but it taught me new respect for oval drivers. You better stay away from it, or you might like it too.
Bye,
Leo
P.S. Dennis, I'm not going to tell you my times either :-)
[This message has been edited by Leo Landman (edited 01-03-2000).]
I agree with the ovals statement. It may not be as interesting as road racing, but it sure is more difficult than it looks. It's easy to do a fast lap, but it's almost impossible to do it only 2/10 faster and run with the big boys.
There's a converter now, that converts Nascar tracks to GPL, and it's fascinating to drive the '67 F1s at Michigan, Talladega etc. Highly apocryphal, I know, but it taught me new respect for oval drivers. You better stay away from it, or you might like it too.
Bye,
Leo
P.S. Dennis, I'm not going to tell you my times either :-)
[This message has been edited by Leo Landman (edited 01-03-2000).]
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Psychoman
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Posted 05 January 2000 - 08:05
All I will say is that I have cracked 2:00 once... 
and I have cracked 200 bones in that game
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"Hey there, all you middle men
Throw away your fancy clothes
And while you're out there sittin' on a fence
So get off your ass and come down here
'Cause rock 'n' roll ain't no riddle man
To me it makes good, good sense"
-Brian Johnson
and I have cracked 200 bones in that game ------------------
"Hey there, all you middle men
Throw away your fancy clothes
And while you're out there sittin' on a fence
So get off your ass and come down here
'Cause rock 'n' roll ain't no riddle man
To me it makes good, good sense"
-Brian Johnson
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Fast One
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Posted 05 January 2000 - 12:13
If it were any more real, I'd be dead!
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Keith Steele
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Posted 05 January 2000 - 13:10
I downloaded the demo before the game came out and was having horrible frame rate problems so I gave up. Then last year at the Cart race in St. Louie, they were selling it for $10.00. You never saw a saw buck leave someones wallet so quick. But alas I still am running a 166MMX so its pointless to even try. Some day...some day...
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Leo Landman
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Posted 06 January 2000 - 05:14
Hehe, I clearly remember the first time I died in GPL. It was at Rouen in that long, full throttle right hander at the back of the track. I missed the turning-in point and the car left the track and hit a tree at 170 mph. There was nothing I could do, just watch it happening. Almost SCARED me to death!
Mmmm, come to think of it, GPL taught me new respect for '67 F1 drivers as well...
Bye,
Leo
P.S. when do I stop being a 'junior' member? Heck, I'm old enough to have seen these guys drive in '67!
[This message has been edited by Leo Landman (edited 01-05-2000).]
Mmmm, come to think of it, GPL taught me new respect for '67 F1 drivers as well...
Bye,
Leo
P.S. when do I stop being a 'junior' member? Heck, I'm old enough to have seen these guys drive in '67!
[This message has been edited by Leo Landman (edited 01-05-2000).]
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Posted 06 January 2000 - 08:51
Leo, if I remember right you hit member at 31 posts; you're only at 7. I have crashed at that part 3 or 4 times at least--once the force was such that GPL CRASHED!!! I have also hit the farthest right edge of the giant "Bosch" bridge at Silverstone, repeatedly hit the imaginary wall above the fence after braking (too) late for Nordkurve, and have done the same at Big Bend at the Glen. An exceptional career indeed
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"Hey there, all you middle men
Throw away your fancy clothes
And while you're out there sittin' on a fence
So get off your ass and come down here
'Cause rock 'n' roll ain't no riddle man
To me it makes good, good sense"
-Brian Johnson
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"Hey there, all you middle men
Throw away your fancy clothes
And while you're out there sittin' on a fence
So get off your ass and come down here
'Cause rock 'n' roll ain't no riddle man
To me it makes good, good sense"
-Brian Johnson
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Leo Landman
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Posted 07 January 2000 - 03:35
Psycho,
Been there, done that. I think we all have crashed in all sorts of ways in every corner. But it's those completely-out-of-control situations that still frighten me. After a year I've learned to limit the damage when sliding off, but sometimes... Just think of the Masta kink - you're going through there at close to 300 kph, and somtimes you'll find another car sitting on the road (it's that kind of corner, ask Chris Amon:-). You are going to hit it and there's NOTHING you can do about it. Makes me wonder how some of the drivers in those days managed to survive at all. After all, they weren't going much slower than us. In fact, I still have to beat Jimmy Clark's lap at the Ring (and low hopes of ever doing so).
Bye,
Leo
Been there, done that. I think we all have crashed in all sorts of ways in every corner. But it's those completely-out-of-control situations that still frighten me. After a year I've learned to limit the damage when sliding off, but sometimes... Just think of the Masta kink - you're going through there at close to 300 kph, and somtimes you'll find another car sitting on the road (it's that kind of corner, ask Chris Amon:-). You are going to hit it and there's NOTHING you can do about it. Makes me wonder how some of the drivers in those days managed to survive at all. After all, they weren't going much slower than us. In fact, I still have to beat Jimmy Clark's lap at the Ring (and low hopes of ever doing so).
Bye,
Leo
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Psychoman
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Posted 07 January 2000 - 10:59
I have low hopes of beating a bicycle's time at the Ring
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"Hey there, all you middle men
Throw away your fancy clothes
And while you're out there sittin' on a fence
So get off your ass and come down here
'Cause rock 'n' roll ain't no riddle man
To me it makes good, good sense"
-Brian Johnson
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"Hey there, all you middle men
Throw away your fancy clothes
And while you're out there sittin' on a fence
So get off your ass and come down here
'Cause rock 'n' roll ain't no riddle man
To me it makes good, good sense"
-Brian Johnson
